Posted 13 March 2012 - 11:22 AM
Aired : January 8, 2012
Guest : Ji Jin Hee, Joo Sang Wook, Kim Sung Soo, Lee Chun Hee
Venue : Yeosu City Hall (Yeosu, Jeollanam-do)
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Posted 13 March 2012 - 03:47 PM
I didn't mind the intro to much, with the introductions of the "killers." You could tell from the initial greeting that the guests were going to have a bit of an awkward curve in adapting to the game. It was particularly puzzling how little the guests knew about Running Man. One would think that if you're going to show up on a variety show - you might want to do a little homework on what it could possibly entail, and maybe even learn the cast members names. The car rides between the locations really left a lot to be desired, considering that type of banter is normally where some of the best dialogue comes from.
The initial games for the most part to try and convert spies (Really? Spies again? ugh.) was pretty slow, and to see the first pair of Jin Hee and Sang Wook camping out in a dry cleaning store wasn't exactly going to lead to laughter. Despite the pacing, and overall futility of the initial game - we did get some maknae Dong Wan funnies, and the reaction when they decided to pick (of all people) Gwang Soo as there first spy (something they never would have done if they actually WATCHED THE SHOW!) was pretty funny as the Gwangvatar finally got one of his desires in the game to be fulfilled. I also couldn't help but notice - he really does run like an Avatar blue person.
The second location was a bit better, because Sung Soo and Chun Hee actually are somewhat adept at the variety scene, and seeing the classic Chun Hee bumbling and failed attempts really brought back some Family Outing memories. At least this pair was able to get Ji Hyo on their side, but her reaction to when she discovered that their initial recruit was Gwang Soo - priceless.
Then finally, we get the game of games - Bells Hide and Seek. Despite the fact that the killers were some of the absolute worst chasers in the history of the game, the game itself still delivered in spades at giving an amazing game with lots of laughs. I mean, come on Chun Hee was struggling to pull of Suk Jin's tag for goodness sake! Not to mention that pretty much every player BUT Suk Jin got away at least once because of how lackadaisical there demeanor was with eliminating people. I don't know if it was their cockiness, or lack familiarity with the game itself, but I often times found myself wondering, "Why aren't they ripping off their tag?" We did end up with a pretty entertaining game, with all the things you miss about Bells HIde and Seek, from the Jail Regular Trio, Haha playing the hero, Suk Jin's early departure, Gary's strange elementary tactics, Yooruce Willis's timely escape, with his out of breath monologues - even a switch-a-roo with Jong Kook pulling off what Ji Hyo normally does in attempting to beg to be let go with Ji Jin Hee.
All-in-all, this episode delivered in giving me a very nostalgic feeling, especially showing how Bells Hide and Seek is the game of games, at delivering a heart stopping ending. I found myself by the end really wanting to go and re-watch the episodes of that era and remember how good they are. Hopefully we will see this game pop up again, because it really was the defibrillator to awkward guests, and by the end helped make the killers bond a little better, and come out of their turtle (ship) shells.
A decent episode that started slow, but ended with a sniper's shot right in the heart - and delivered in not only entertainment, but reminding us of those early episodes with the colored jumpsuits and fulfilling your mission. Ah, memories.
Next time we get some IU - and we know how much middle aged assassins love them some IU!
Edited by Rubicant, 13 March 2012 - 03:48 PM.
Posted 13 March 2012 - 07:26 PM
"Everything will be good as long as you do your best. Because if you do, there will be no regrets." - Tiffany Hwang
Posted 14 March 2012 - 01:48 AM
- the guests are all together in one (non-spy) team, and seem to be relatively inexperienced in variety except for one Family Outing alum.
- the main mission takes place in an office building, a type of venue that IMO wore out its welcome back in Jang Hyuk's two-parter. Endless rows of cubicles under sickly-looking fluorescent lights does not make for an interesting location, especially for a show that's shown us The Great Wall of China, the Hong Kong skyline and Seoul's most visually appealing landmarks.
- the odds are ridiculously stacked against the Running Man members--a hopeless-loooking mission, and a chasing team that, with spies, actually outnumber the mission team.
- HaHa proves himself to be the MVP of the main mission.
- the FO alum provides most of the memorable moments from the chasing team, and there's not enough of him.
Now, I admit that my bad experience with the unsubbed recent episode and noticing the similarities between the two has likely prejudiced my opinion of this episode. On the balance, though, I do have a better opinion of it now than when I watched it raw. It does have some great moments, thanks to Chun Hee and Gwang Soo, and the return of Bells Hide and Seek, even in slightly modified form, was much welcomed.
Ultimately what's hard to get over was the venue and the mission--it's probably the most tedious, disadvantageous, and most importantly, most boring to watch mission ever inflicted on the Running Man cast since the balloons at Songdo. And the venue--even as dull as offices look in general, this one was dreary and poorly-lit; at least in the past, there was something interesting about the look and "geography" of the Woongjin Thinkbig HQ (Ep. 32) or even Cheil's HQ (Ep. 44). I've never been to Yeosu, but I think it'd be sad to think that the most interesting venue the next World's Fair city has to offer for a hide and seek is their dreary City Hall. Hopefully RM can come back in a couple of months when the Expo is in full swing and show us some of the sights.
Anyway, lest it be said that I'm bashing this episode, I still want to point out that any RM episode is still good, thanks largely to the cast and their antics, and everyone had their moment in this episode. And, as always, the subtitles help improve my impression of the episode.
Next week promises to be a lot more fun as the teams are mixed up, relaxed, and joined by the adorable IU. I just wish that RM will learn their lesson and never segregate a large number of guests into their own team in the future, especially if most of them aren't variety pros. But, referring to the unsubbed episode I spoke about, they obviously haven't.
Posted 14 March 2012 - 06:54 AM
I completely agree with Mike though, there should never be a situation in which all the guests are grouped together - particularly if they are unfamiliar with the show itself, as was the case.
I don't think this episode was a classic by any means, and from a gaming standpoint was somewhat unbalanced, but nowhere near as bad as previous spy episodes (59 being the worst, in my case, but 70 was almost as bad). But I didn't mind the location - I would prefer a confined space that forces conflict and I also was happy that there weren't elevators, but stairs to move between floors. The bleakness also kind of suited the whole killer/assassin concept and felt right to me.
The cast did there absolute best with the situation, and the Bells Hide and Seek was good, and particularly nostalgic - it's really the guests that dragged this episode down a lot, and understandably so, and the inclusion of the spy gimmick was unneeded (and should forever go and die IMO). So it was half positive, and half negative - but the episode had a lot of laugh out loud moments that made up for what was lacking.
Posted 14 March 2012 - 12:12 PM
The quality of this episode was by no means the fault of the Running man cast but rather poor planning by the writers and PDs, as the only enjoyable thing this episode had was the witty banter some of the members and guests had. Anyways just my opinion...
Posted 15 March 2012 - 08:12 AM
the episode wasnt bad, but it wasnt as good as it can be. i guess it was an off fay like the episode featuring 2PM in little Paris. the only way is up for Running Man
Posted 16 March 2012 - 12:52 AM
Bad Stuff: RM members have such perfect chemistry that guests have a tough time surviving on the show. Our 4 guests are not really entertaining, probably a lack of experience. (-1 point). The idea of Mike Jonas to group them with other RM members doesnt really work here. The whole idea of this episode is that RM members do not know that the 4 killers are after them. If you make a RM member a killer and maybe a guest a mission member then the whole idea would be ruined, I think. it would be better to mix guests and members but its not always possible. 4 killers + 2 spies vs 5 helpless mission members = extremly unbalanced game. (-2 point) btw, that is a mistake RM staff makes again and again and I am really getting annoyed with this. Its super-obvious that this is unfair. Rubicant asks why the killers let the RM go and not rip the tags. I tell you why : they totally outnumber the RM members and even have 2 spies so they take it easy. They pretty much had Gary, Haha and JaeSuk in the very beginning, then only SukJin and KJK would have been left AND there would still be 2 spies JiHyo and Gwangsoo to help them.) Btw, why Spies in a Hide-and-Seek ? Thats so crazy because the kilers are strong enough in the Hide-and-Seek and such a small area. They dont need spies at all. ????
Good Stuff: When Haha finds the first computer and we understand that the killers can be eliminated too, I was happy. I realized that this will not be a total RM members slaughter but they will reduce both teams for a final showdown. I enjoyed the excitement of hide-and-seek. Seriously, I think this episode was quite exciting because i was cheering for RM members and they were so outnumbered with spies against them and all so that i felt like watching true heroes fighting a hard battle against all odds.(+3 points) Haha is one of the most active and dangerous members. He finds hints and eliminates killers. KJK and JiHyo are great players but we should add Haha to the list of best players too. I really think there are some very funny moments, especially the talk in jail (+2 point). Chunhee brings back FO memories. (+1 point) The final showdown was cool because it was 1 vs 1 in the end. (+1 point)
the Snow Rating for Episode 76.
Thank you for Reading.
Edited by snow, 16 March 2012 - 12:56 AM.
Posted 16 March 2012 - 01:48 AM
Well, to clarify, my suggestion would have entailed abandoning the concept of this episode and making it more conventional, or at least, not this concept. I believe the whole idea of grouping a large number of guests and having them overtly operate as a separate team is problematic if a significant fraction of the guests is inexperienced in variety. Not to spoil much about the next episode (77), but I like it a whole lot better, and a great deal of the reason why is because the teams are mixed.
This element redeemed much of the hide & seek game for me, a nice improvement on the old formula and helping to mitigate the overwhelming advantage the seekers had. The fact that they didn't use this in the later episode that I've been referring to (okay, just to stop confusing people, I'll identify it: 85), just makes me more annoyed at that newer episode.
Edited by mikejonas, 16 March 2012 - 01:52 AM.
Posted 16 March 2012 - 06:23 AM
Okay then we agree on this. yes, its better to mix guests and RM members, just saying Ep76 concept is not working with this. we agree on this too.
yes, it would be a good idea. Success in the mission eliminates seekers. i agree.